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1. What is rec.music.dylan, anyway?
2. Glossary of terms and acronyms common to this newsgroup.
3. Is there a Bob Dylan discography available online?
4. Where can I find lyrics, tablature and other Bob Dylan
information on Internet?
5. Is there a 'DylanBase', or some way that I can get lists
of performances and songs from past years, on Internet?
6. When and where will Bob Dylan be performing?
7. What is EDLIS?
8. What if I want to talk about Dylan on-line at all hours?
9. Where can I buy Bob Dylan collectors' items?
10. What books about Dylan's life and music are available?
a. Bob Dylan biographies
b. Studies of Dylan as a performer, lyricist, etc.
c. Reference books
11. Are there magazines about Dylan to which I could subscribe?
12. What are bootlegs, and how do I find them?
13. Where can I get a copy of...?
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1. What is rec.music.dylan, anyway?
Welcome! This Usenet newsgroup is devoted to the discussion of
Bob Dylan, his music, and things Dylan-related. We welcome your
comments on nearly any issue, even if it's only tangentially associated
with Bob Dylan. This newsgroup is not moderated, so anything goes;
but certain subjects are generally frowned upon, such as tirades against
other readers of the newsgroup for their opinions...
Bob Dylan is a singer, a guitar player, a song writer and a
recording artist. Born Robert Allen Zimmerman in Hibbing
Minnesota in 1941, his earliest circulating recordings date from
1958! His earliest recordings on an unofficial bootleg LP date
from 1960, his first commercial release dates from 1962. He
continues to write, record and perform to this day.
There is no official Dylan fan club, so small packs of Dylan fans band
together to stay informed and carry on general discussion. This
particular Usenet newsgroup was founded in mid-1989 by Tom Buckley.
Sometimes it seems that all we're interested in are upcoming tour dates
and clarification of fact regarding old recordings, but there is often
very interesting discussion of Dylan's lyrics themselves, a reason
that no doubt many of you read this newsgroup. If you don't see the
sort of discussion you want, you're encouraged to bring it up yourself!
If you have no access to Usenet News but you do have Internet
access then you could join a FreeNet in order to make use of free
telnet yfn.ysu.edu
username: visitor
follow the instructions for becoming a registered user and then
read rec.music.dylan whenever you please.
The majority of readers access this group through a newsreader
(such as rn on Unix systems), but there is also a digestified format
that is sent to many others via email. If you'd rather read in that
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2. Glossary of terms and acronyms common to this newsgroup.
All areas of knowledge develop jargon and acronyms which inevitably
serve to keep outsiders out and to confuse newcomers. Medical
doctors complicate the simplest things with needlessly difficult
terms and abbreviations, computer experts often make the easy
inaccessible to newcomers with obscure terms and abbreviations
by trying to 'simplify' communications, management consultants...
Well, you get the picture. People with a serious and debilitating
Dylan habit can also develop these tendencies.
Watch for the following obscure terms...
#Dylan = The name of the Dylan channel on irc.
BoB = Blonde on Blonde [1966] [not a typo for "Bob"!]
BotT = Blood on the Tracks [1974]
BIABH = Bringing It All Back Home [1965]
boot = bootleg
bootleg = circulating copy of officially unreleased material in any
form. The term is probably derived from 'bootleg' liquor, which
was sometimes smuggled in bottles strapped to one's leg during
Prohibition in the United States, 1918-1933.
Bootleg Series = The Bootleg Series 1961-1991, Rare and Unreleased,
Volumes 1-3 [1991] - not to be confused with 'bootleg' above, this is
an official release that reveals many songs and performances from
throughout Dylan's career that were previously available only on
bootleg media. The liner notes of this boxed set mention that further
volumes would be released, but no reliable source has been able to
determine if and when this might actually happen...
BTW = By the way...
EDLIS = Exchange of Dylan Lyrics - Internet Service
[see question 7, below, for more information on EDLIS]
GAIBTY = Good As I Been To You [1992]
H61R = Highway 61 Revisited [1965]
Hurricane = The lead-off single from Desire [1976], which tells
Dylan's rather loose interpretation of the murder trial of boxer
Rubin "Hurricane" Carter; Carter is today a free man in Canada after
having endured a convoluted series of mistrials and legal wrangling.
IMO = In my opinion...
IMHO = In my humble opinion...
irc = Internet Relay Chat, an international live real-time
conferencing system with a channel called #Dylan.
JWH = John Wesley Harding [1967] This album (and its title track)
were mis-named after outlaw John Wesley Hardin. Dylan's song
has very little to do with the story of the real Hardin; instead,
it's basically just a spin-off of Woody Guthrie's "Pretty Boy Floyd."
Some Dylan fans note the religious bent of this album and claim that
the initials 'JWH' really refer to the Judeo-Christian deity...
Krogsgaard = Krogsgaard's 1991 reference book, Positively Bob Dylan
[listed below in question 10c]. A Krogsgaard number would be in a form
such as [7/201]. This refers to item seven in the Krogsgaard listing
for event 201. Badly addicted rec.music.dylan readers can be told such
a number and then immediately sing the relevant item without reference
to the Krogsgaard book itself!
pirate = Illegal copy of officially released material.
smiley = An unusual punctuation device, presumably employed only by
computer-users, which looks like a sideways smiley-face: :-)
A smiley usually means that a comment or article has been written
in jest, and should be read accordingly. A common variant is ;-)
with the 'winking' eye. There are many, many variants on the smiley,
and most are used to represent the flairs of spoken language that are
often hard to perceive in text. :-(
tape tree = A 'pyramid' method of distributing tapes organized
by someone with a good or unusual tape that begs to be circulated.
That person posts an announcement to the newsgroup, asking people
to send email to him to sign up. He collects the names of those
interested, and creates a 'tree' such that no one has to make an
excessive number of copies, and people with better tape decks make copies
for those without, etc. The original tape is the 'seed'. Those who
receive copies from the seed and make further copies are 'branches', and
those who receive copies from branches but don't copy for anyone else
are the 'leaves'. Sometimes a person who make copies is called a 'parent'
and one who receives copies is a 'child'. Each person who receives tapes
is expected to send tapes of other events in return to his/her branch.
If blanks are sent in lieu of recorded tapes, the person sending blanks is
expected to pay postage for both the tapes that he sends and the ones he
will receive; another method is to send double the number of blank tapes
to recorded tapes...
T-999 = Numbers like these are Townsend numbers.
Townsend number = A three figure number identifying a specific
bootleg CD as cited by Phill Townsend in his Strangers And
Prophets [listed above], or as cited in Isis [listed above].
UTRS = Under The Red Sky [1990]
WGW = World Gone Wrong [1993]
ZZ = someone used to the vi editor in Unix posting from a
different and unfamiliar editor trying to end their posting...
3. Is there a Bob Dylan discography available online?
It is beyond the scope of this document to give an true discography
for Bob Dylan, but here is a list of the standard U.S. released
Title Released CD Order #
----- -------- ----------
Bob Dylan March 1962 CK 8579
The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan May 1963 CK 8786
The Times They Are A-Changin' January 1964 CK 8905
Another Side of Bob Dylan August 1964 CK 8993
Bringing it All Back Home March 1965 CK 9128
Highway 61 Revisited August 1965 CK 9189
Blonde on Blonde May 1966 CK 841
Greatest Hits March 1967# CK 9463
John Wesley Harding December 1967 CK 9604
Nashville Skyline April 1969 CK 9825
Self-Portrait June 1970 C2K 30050
New Morning October 1970 CK 30290
Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 November 1971# C2K 31120
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid July 1973 CK 32460
Dylan November 1973^ CK 32747
Planet Waves January 1974 CK 37637
Before the Flood June 1974' C2K 37661
Blood on the Tracks January 1975 CK 33235
The Basement Tapes June 1975* C2K 33682
Desire January 1976 CK 33893
Hard Rain September 1976 CK 34349
Street Legal June 1978 CK 35453
At Budokan July 1978'~ C2K 36067
Slow Train Coming August 1979 CK 36120
Saved June 1980 CK 36553
Shot of Love August 1981 CK 37496
Infidels November 1983 CK 38819
Real Live December 1984' CK 39944
Empire Burlesque June 1985 CK 40110
Biograph October 1985# C3K 38830
Knocked Out Loaded August 1986 CK 40439
Down in the Groove May 1988 CK 40957
Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 October 1988 Warner Bros. 9 25796-1
Dylan and the Dead February 1989' CK 45056
Oh Mercy September 1989 CK 45281
Under the Red Sky September 1990 CK 46794
Traveling Wilburys Vol. 3 October 1990 Warner Bros. 9 26324-1
Good As I Been to You October 1992 CK 53200
World Gone Wrong October 1993 CK 57590
This is NOT intended to be a complete discography by any means.
Check the discography file at ftp.uwp.edu or dec2.wu-wien.ac.at for
more details [see question 4 for help].
' Live album
# 'Greatest Hits' collection - *most* songs previously released
^ Recorded in 1970, outtakes from Self-Portrait
* Recorded in 1967!
~ This is the Japanese release date - U.S. release was December 1978
@ Collection of previously unreleased material spanning 1961-1991...
Also of interest are the 30th Anniversary Tribute Concert
double-CD set; and Masterpieces, a triple-CD import collection
that contains a few songs not available elsewhere on CD.
To actually order CDs online, you can try the Compact Disc Connection,
a California-based mail-order company.
telnet holonet.net
username: cdc
Once you're logged in as cdc, the menus are fairly self-explanatory,
and you can make purchases with your credit card.
There have been several 'best album' polls done on the music
newsgroups - the most comprehensive were the 'Usenet Artist Polls'
and are available by anonymous FTP from ftp.uwp.edu in /pub/music/uap
(many polls done on individual artists, not just Dylan).
The Dylan albums most frequently recommended by readers of r.m.d
are _Highway 61 Revisited_, _Blonde on Blonde_, _Blood on
the Tracks_, and _The Bootleg Series, Vols. 1-3_, although
you'll find staunch fans of nearly every album...
The Dylan you might like depends more on you than on the opinions
of others. You could describe in reasonable detail your musical,
political, religious and sexual tastes, post that on
rec.music.dylan, and ask for advice...
Additional material may be found at the various FTP archives
[see question 4, below].
4. Where can I find lyrics, tablature and other Bob Dylan information
on Internet?
There are three archive sites from which information regarding Bob Dylan
may be obtained by FTP [If the term "ftp" is meaningless to you then ask
ftp.nevada.edu (University of Nevada)
dec2.wu-wien.ac.at (Vienna, Austria)
Lyrics to a limited number of Bob Dylan songs, plus some guitar
tabs and other information by be found by anonymous FTP from
ftp.uwp.edu, in pub/music/artists/d/dylan.bob.
Guitar tablature to many of Dylan's songs is available by
anonymous FTP from the alt.guitar.tab archives at ftp.nevada.edu,
in /pub/guitar/d/Dylan.Bob, and also /pub/guitar/d/Bob.Dylan (the
separate directories are probably due to an oversight or change).
The Vienna site is home to Olof's archives [see question 5, below],
plus a number of transcribed interviews, tape reviews, and other
materials (including a version of this document), in the directory
/pub/dylan. **Please note: the Vienna FTP site will be closing soon!
If you are willing and able to maintain an FTP site containing this
inportant material, please post an article letting us know of
your interest!**
ftp ftp.uwp.edu [or whatever site you'll be getting files from]
Enter 'anonymous' (without the quotes) when prompted for a login name,
give your computer address as the password. Use either 'ls' or 'dir'
and 'cd' to find your way to the proper directory.
If you cannot find transcribed music online, you should be able to
find music to all the released albums from good music stores and
suppliers. For example, the book for Good As I Been to You is
available from Special Rider Music Sales, 8/9 Frith St., London W1V 5TZ.
5. Is there a 'DylanBase', or some way that I can get lists
of performances and songs from past years, on the Internet?
Yes, there are a couple of good ways to go about doing this;
#1 - If you've got a little disk space to spare [approx. 1.5
megabytes], you can download Olof's year-by-year Bob Dylan
archive - which lists Dylan's public appearances and recordings,
gives handy reference tables of songs played on tour, and even
lists recommended tapes by tour! The best part is that it's free
for your own personal use. Don't try printing it out unless
you've got the time & ribbons - the combined total of all the
files would be on the order of 600 pages... How do you get it?
Anonymous FTP from dec2.wu-wien.ac.at, in pub/dylan (the '1960s'
through '1990s' directories). Keep in mind that you're making a
telephone link to Austria...
#2 - There is a book called "Positively Bob Dylan" by Michael
Krogsgaard (this book is frequently referred to simply as
'Krogsgaard' on this newsgroup). This tome numbers Dylan's
various performances and lists the songs performed at each
and every known Bob Dylan recording through early 1991. There are
always gaps and changes as new tapes surface, but this book is
essential to the serious collector! It provides a fast,
easy reference for identifying tapes and so on. The main
disadvantage of such a serious book is that it costs about US$55.
See item 10c below for more information.
6. When and where will Bob Dylan be performing?
Since official announcements from Dylan's publicity office regarding
tour dates are rare, we have to rely on local people to look for
advertisements or call ticket agencies and then to inform the rest of
us. If you hear of an upcoming concert in your area, please tell us!
Set-lists from shows that you have seen recently are also appreciated,
even if you don't know the titles of all the songs that were played.
Tour dates are usually posted piece-meal to the newsgroup, and
sometimes these postings will contain conflicting or confusing
information. If your local ticket agency has no knowledge of a concert
date that you saw announced here, don't give up hope. Agencies such as
TicketMaster frequently do not know about particular shows until a
few days before they are authorized to sell tickets for that show.
Some concert dates start out as rumors and never materialize, but many
rumors do become fact. Be patient.
There is no mail-order for Bob Dylan concert tickets.
There are also Dylan hotlines you can ring on the telephone for
USA: 303-243-8025 (The Rolling Tomes Hotline - the operator will
ask you to enter the "hotline access number" located in the lower
right corner of the back cover of the current Rolling Tomes
catalogue. So you must either have seen the catalogue or have
contact with someone who has... See question 9, below.
A touch-tone telephone is required. The recording is updated at
least weekly, more often when news warrants it.)
UK: (does anyone know the number for the Wanted Man hotline?)
7. What is EDLIS?
The Exchange Dylan Lyrics - Internet Service is an Internet
wide conspiracy to make available Dylan lyrics for the
purposes of research and/or private study. Lyrics available
are restricted to a reasonable proportion. Any copying to
evade purchase is wrong. EDLIS consists of a number of loosely
affiliated individuals who have chosen to horde and distribute
Bob Dylan information. This service includes, but is not
limited to, information regarding: Bob Dylan song lyrics,
versions of Bob Dylan songs performed by other artists, bootleg
compact discs, and tape trees.
If you post a request for specific lyrics (or for detailed
boot CD information) on rec.music.dylan you might find an
EDLIS agent answers your needs magically in your e-mail box.
In return, EDLIS is always in need of transcribed lyrics and
information on compact discs, old and new. If you are able to
type in or scan Dylan lyrics not presently available on the
Internet, please do so - the only reason that EDLIS sends you
anything is because others have contributed in the past!
8. What if I want to talk about Dylan on-line at all hours?
If no one in the same room as you wants to chat about Dylan 24
hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year you might think
you have an insatiable desire. But there is relief! IRC!
Internet Relay Chat. On Internet Relay Chat there is always an
international live real-time Dylan conference - usually in
irc
/join #Dylan
and what you type after that will be seen by all the others on
that channel. If all is quiet simply wait until the lull ends or
learn how to invite others in (/invite), change the topic
(/topic) and so on.
As with all esoteric computer matters, if the command irc is not
available on your computer simply ask a local computer guru how
to ftp and compile what you need. Or how to logon by telnet to a
limited version of irc. So long as you have full Internet access
something should be possible.
telnet sci.dixie.edu 6668
and you can join in on the Dylan discussion via irc...
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I haven't seen the Dylan FAQ mentioned here n a long time, came across this version while looking for something else...
Jake D Jude
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You waste our time with a post that is almost 24 years old?

As Pickering's #1 sock puppet, you should perhaps show it to him before
shabbus candle lighting?
Will Dockery
2017-09-27 18:57:27 UTC
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a post that is almost 24 years old?
There's no expiration date on information.

:)
marcus
2017-09-27 19:26:50 UTC
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There's no expiration date on information.
:)
Tell that to Trump's supporters. They voted for him despite (see below)


WHY?

So, you gave Trump a pass when he said John McCain, tortured for years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, wasn't a war hero because he preferred soldiers "who weren't captured.

You didn't blink when he said he "grabs women by the pussy" because you can do that when you're a celebrity.

You were silent when he attacked the Gold Star parents of a soldier who died fighting for this country in Iraq.

You were fine when he again attacked McCain, now dying, because McCain would not vote for the health care bill and called him "a disgrace."

You didn't care when he made overtly racists remarks about Mexicans.

You laughed when he made baseless, false accusations that his predecessor was born in Kenya.

You didn't care less that he invited as his honored guest in the White House Ted Nugent who called the previous President of the United States a "sub-human mongrel" and suggested Hillary Clinton should be assassinated.

You yawned when he grotesquely mocked a disabled reporter.

You didn't care that his claims that no one in this campaign had contact with the Russians quickly came apart when it became known that Flynn, Manafort, Sessions, Page, Kushner and Trump Junior ALL had contacts with the Russians who interfered in the election to help Trump.

You were silent when he said there were "fine people" marching with Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville
.
And now you're outraged, and I mean OUTRAGED, that a black athlete had the gall to take a knee in silence during the national anthem to try and call attention to racial injustice?

~ Anonymous
Jake D Jude
2017-09-27 20:50:45 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
There's no expiration date on information.
:)
Tell that to Trump's supporters. They voted for him despite (see below)
WHY?
Because Marcus Catone is a pussy.

Look how the little pussy Catone continues to cry just like his beard
Hillary. He is a Clintard.

The best thing is in 2020 when Trump is sworn in for his second term and
the libtwats like Catone, despite all the anarchy they have committed
against Trump, they lose again.

BWAAAAAAA
Sarah Ehrett
2017-09-27 21:17:52 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT), marcus <***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

marcus, who in hell are you responding to? This is the MID you have
linked to this post In-Reply-To: <oqgrog$g7s$***@dont-email.me>

All the dope you smoked has rotted your brain.
Post by marcus
WHY?
So, you gave Trump a pass when he said John McCain, tortured for years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, wasn't a war hero because he preferred soldiers "who weren't captured.
You didn't blink when he said he "grabs women by the pussy" because you can do that when you're a celebrity.
You were silent when he attacked the Gold Star parents of a soldier who died fighting for this country in Iraq.
You were fine when he again attacked McCain, now dying, because McCain would not vote for the health care bill and called him "a disgrace."
You didn't care when he made overtly racists remarks about Mexicans.
You laughed when he made baseless, false accusations that his predecessor was born in Kenya.
You didn't care less that he invited as his honored guest in the White House Ted Nugent who called the previous President of the United States a "sub-human mongrel" and suggested Hillary Clinton should be assassinated.
You yawned when he grotesquely mocked a disabled reporter.
You didn't care that his claims that no one in this campaign had contact with the Russians quickly came apart when it became known that Flynn, Manafort, Sessions, Page, Kushner and Trump Junior ALL had contacts with the Russians who interfered in the election to help Trump.
You were silent when he said there were "fine people" marching with Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville
.
And now you're outraged, and I mean OUTRAGED, that a black athlete had the gall to take a knee in silence during the national anthem to try and call attention to racial injustice?
~ Anonymous
Will Dockery
2017-09-28 07:43:15 UTC
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marcus, who in hell are you responding to?
Me...
marcus
2017-09-28 21:46:21 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT), marcus <>
marcus, who in hell are you responding to?
Me...
The person you are responding to is a well-known semi-troll in alt.obituaries, she is actually a guy pretending to be his wife.
Will Dockery
2017-09-28 22:44:20 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT), marcus <>
marcus, who in hell are you responding to?
Me...
The person you are responding to is a well-known semi-troll in alt.obituaries, she is actually a guy pretending to be his wife.
Oh, I remember that name now!
Dresden Houndiearfums
2017-09-28 10:20:33 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT), marcus
marcus, who in hell are you responding to? This is the MID you
All the dope you smoked has rotted your brain.
You're a liar. You purposely ignore the rest of the References line
that clearly shows who he responded to. And you changed the Newsgroups
line to intentionally stir up trouble here and in the Dylan group.
Go fuck yourself.
Oh Nil we are so lucky to have you here to defend all the newsgroups on
the usenet from nasty trolls. But most of all it is so good of you to
lend your vast credibility and gravitas to defend and important Beatle
savant dotard like Marcus.

While you bring out the intellectual side of the Beatles and encourage
academic research on their music and philosophy enabling all of us to
worship them the way you do-but not as perfectly as you, Marcus brings
out the polar opposite. He focuses on the childish veneration of the
Beatles. The joi de vivre he receives from not knowing anything about
them other than their names and singing along with their music like he
does with Adam Levine on the Voice.
Dresden Houndiearfums
2017-10-03 22:00:35 UTC
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Not only is she a liar, but a guy pretending to be his wife.
What kind of a pathetic loser would bother to do that?
That's a rhetorical question - I don't really want to know.
But you DO know, Nil. Because you are the all-knowing, all-seeing Lord
of RMB. There is nothing you do not know. People come to you from all
corners of the planet to obtain the most esoteric information.

The Beatle world is so thankful to have you walk amongst us teaching us
the most important Beatle related items on the planet.

Let us hope that the Tom Petty family invites you to his funeral to say
a few comfortable words and help them get over their loss.

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