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Dylan's poetry and I'm Not There
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really real
2008-06-11 14:40:51 UTC
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Two things are most amazing about the movie I'm Not There, one being the
creative brilliance of capturing Dylan with five metaphorical
characters. The other is that Dylan went along with it and let Todd
Haynes use his music. This is the first time Dylan has so blessed a
project about him.

Haynes talks about how getting the rights to the music was essential to
the film. Thus the strongest thing about the movie is way the music
works in I'm Not There, and the way the movie deals with the theme of
Dylan's poetry.

The first time we hear Dylan talk in the movie is when we hear the
voice-over saying "a poem is like a naked person."

We next see one of the Dylans saying "but a song is something that walks
by itself."

Then, to a grainy b&w backdrop of New York street scenes, circa '64, the
song Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again begins as we
start to see the movie credits

Now I am a real sucker for visuals with music, and not only does this
make a great rock video, I remember how incredible the song sounded in
on a theater sound system. And could Haynes have picked a better song to
show off Dylan's ground breaking pop music surrealism with its dazzling
poetry?

By the time the song talks about Texas medicine and mixing things up,
the backdrop goes to cinematic scenic colour and we see Richard Gere as
Billy the Kid. Then there's a train and the movie beings with the eleven
year old Woody jumping aboard.

The movie then begins with this incredible kid telling his musical story
to two hobos on the train, using familiar phrases from Dylan interviews
and song lyrics, merging the myths of Woody Guthrie and the wild early
stories of the real Bob Dylan. And then the movie switches to an
interrogation scene, where the electric Dylan is being questioned as to
why he stopped writing. When he's accused of being fatalistic, the
Rimbaud/Dylan character responds:

"I'm not fatalistic, bank tellers are fatalistic. clerks are fatalistic.
I'm a farmer. Who ever heard of a fatalistic farmer?"

To illustrate this farmer metaphor, we're plunged back into a rural
scene, with Woody/Dylan on a back porch, along with Ritchie Havens,
singing an incredible version of Tombstone Blues. Once again, we get
another stunningly poetic Dylan song. Of all the cover versions in the
movie, I think this version of Tombstone Blues works the best. Talk
about illustrating the line "and like a fool I mixed them."

I'd never heard the farmer metaphor being used with Dylan before. Is
this from some interview Todd Haynes found, or did he make it up?
Maureen Leblanc
2008-06-11 15:09:57 UTC
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Post by really real
"I'm not fatalistic, bank tellers are fatalistic. clerks are fatalistic.
I'm a farmer. Who ever heard of a fatalistic farmer?"
I'd never heard the farmer metaphor being used with Dylan before. Is
this from some interview Todd Haynes found, or did he make it up?
It's from the Nat Hentoff 1966 Playboy interview, RR.

m.
really real
2008-06-11 15:12:49 UTC
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Post by Maureen Leblanc
It's from the Nat Hentoff 1966 Playboy interview, RR.
Thanks Maureen. I knew it had to be from somewhere.

I think it's quite brilliant the way Todd Haynes takes these old
interview snippets and illustrates them so well.
Babs
2008-06-11 16:55:39 UTC
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Post by really real
"I'm not fatalistic, bank tellers are fatalistic. clerks are fatalistic.
I'm a farmer. Who ever heard of a fatalistic farmer?"
To illustrate this farmer metaphor, we're plunged back into a rural
scene, with Woody/Dylan on  a back porch, along with Ritchie Havens,
singing an incredible version of Tombstone Blues. Once again, we get
another stunningly poetic Dylan song. Of all the cover versions in the
movie, I think this version of Tombstone Blues works the best. Talk
about illustrating the line "and like a fool I mixed them."
I'd never heard the farmer metaphor being used with Dylan before. Is
this from some interview Todd Haynes found, or did he make it up?
That porch scene was standout for me.
really real
2008-06-11 17:29:14 UTC
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Post by Babs
That porch scene was standout for me.
Now that I think of it, it was a front porch scene, not a back porch scene.

Has Ritchie Havens ever sounded so good? Or looked so cool?
St. Annie
2008-06-12 19:23:15 UTC
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Post by Babs
That porch scene was standout for me.
Now that I think of it, it was a front porch scene, not a back porch scene.
Has Ritchie Havens ever sounded so good? Or looked so cool?
Yes. When he knocks on the hotel room door and comes in in "Hearts of
Fire" and he & Bob are face to face. Only good moment in the movie.
Martin
2008-06-11 19:09:08 UTC
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Post by really real
Two things are most amazing about the movie I'm Not There
Are you being sponsored by Todd Haynes or something? You're going on
about this movie more than I go on about Nashville Skyline. Jesus
really real
2008-06-11 19:16:47 UTC
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Post by Martin
Are you being sponsored by Todd Haynes or something? You're going on
about this movie more than I go on about Nashville Skyline. Jesus
A lot of us were thrilled that Todd Haynes made a movie about Dylan that
was as deep and wild as a great Dylan song. Now, you pobably want a
movie about Dylan that comes on like Nashville Skyline
Martin
2008-06-11 19:43:34 UTC
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Post by really real
Now, you pobably want a
movie about Dylan that comes on like Nashville Skyline
I don't want any movies about Dylan - I'm interested in Dylan, not
other people's takes on him
really real
2008-06-11 19:57:08 UTC
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Post by Martin
I don't want any movies about Dylan - I'm interested in Dylan, not
other people's takes on him
You and Jinx.

How do you feel about movies about Shakespeare?
Martin
2008-06-11 20:19:33 UTC
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Post by really real
You and Jinx
Excellent, well done
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How do you feel about movies about Shakespeare?
If you can name some, I'll see if I've seen them
Jumbo
2008-06-11 23:56:03 UTC
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Post by Martin
I don't want any movies about Dylan - I'm interested in Dylan, not
other people's takes on him
You and Jinx.
Now more than ever I want to stand on a box and cry WE NEED YOU MR
JINX! WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOUR TAKE ON DYLAN! WE ARE NOT CONVINCED WE
KNOW IT ALL.
Martin
2008-06-12 00:16:54 UTC
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Now more than ever I want to stand on a box and cry
Go on, then
Babs
2008-06-12 04:06:57 UTC
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Post by Martin
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Now more than ever I want to stand on a box and cry
Go on, then
I want to crawl into a box and hide. You know. Those huge packing
boxes that were always more fun to play with than the items that came
inside when we were kids. Anyone around my base is it!
Martin
2008-06-12 10:20:50 UTC
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Post by Babs
I want to crawl into a box and hide
Just make sure Lou Reed doesn't post you to John Cale's house in it
Babs
2008-06-12 16:00:44 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Babs
I want to crawl into a box and hide
Just make sure Lou Reed doesn't post you to John Cale's house in it
I'll wear a suit of armor just in case and play music on very high
volume.
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