Was Dylan mean to Edie Sedgwick?

[really real]

Am I missing something or has no one in rmd commented on the news that
Dylan is trying to block the release of the movie, Factory Girl, because
it blames him for Edie Sedgwick's suicide?



Bob Dylan Throws A Gigantic Wobbly About Factory Girl

December 15th, 2006 at 15:30 by Stuart Heritage

Bob Dylan Factory Girl Block Release Movie Sienna Miller Edie Sedgwick
Bob Dylan seems to be relishing his role as Favourite Elderly Wank
Fantasy Of Middle-Aged Rock Critics, because it's giving him the chance
to speak out on anything he wants to, like how unutterably rubbish the
new Sienna Miller film Factor Girl looks.

To be fair to Bob Dylan, he isn't angry at Factory Girl because it looks
like the most horribly ill-conceived and transparent attempt at an
Oscar-worthy film that's been made in years, or because all sensible
people would rather staple their eyes closed and run through a minefield
than watch a Sienna Miller film. Instead, Bob Dylan is angry because
there's a character in the forthcoming movie played by Hayden
Christensen who a) is very obviously meant to be Bob Dylan and b) is
indirectly responsible for the main character's suicide. And Bob Dylan
is so angry with Factory Girl that he wants to stop the film being
released at all.

Bob Dylan hasn't been as popular as he is now for decades. His last
record went to number one around the world, he's got his very own Bob
Dylan radio show and his old poems sell for thousands of dollars at
auction. This new position of fame means that Bob Dylan can do whatever
the hell he wants, like slag off all modern music - and even try to get
major films blocked. Factory Girl - a biopic of Andy Warhol's favourite
drug-twatted party ninny Edie Sedgwick - is supposed to be coming out at
the end of the month, but not if Bob Dylan gets his way.

In real life, Bob Dylan and Edie Sedgwick are thought to have had some
kind of affair. But in Factory Girl, Edie Sedgwick tops herself on drugs
after breaking up with Danny Quinn, a character who couldn't be any more
like Bob Dylan if a character based on Martin Scorsese followed him
around licking his arse all the time. And as far as Bob Dylan is
concerned, that's defamation. Dylan's lawyer Orin Snyderr says:

"You appear to be labouring under the misunderstanding that merely
changing the name of a character or making him a purported fictional
composite will immunise you from a suit. That is not so. Even though Mr
Dylan's name is not used, the portrayal remains both defamatory and a
violation of Mr Dylan's right of publicity. Until we are given an
opportunity to view the film, we hereby demand that all distribution and
screenings immediately be ceased."

Shame Bob Dylan didn't use this right to block a release when he let
someone make a modern dance-interpreted musical based on his songs too,
really. There hasn't been an official response from the makers of
Factory Girl, but we'd imagine that Hayden Christensen - who plays the
Bob Dylan character - would probably respond by looking at the sky and
shouting "Nooooooo!" because he was in a film where he did that once.

For a supposedly Oscar-worthy movie, Factory Girl isn't having the best
of times. As well as potentially being stomped into dust by Bob Dylan's
mighty boot, Lou Reed - who is played by one of Weezer in Factory Girl -
has given this review to The New York Daily News:

"I read that script. It's one of the most disgusting, foul things
I've seen - by any illiterate retard - in a long time."

Not really Sienna Miller's day, is it? First she says a lot of dumb shit
in a magazine and now this. And we thought Sienna had it bad when
Captain Combover did it with the nanny.

[crazytimes]

Not from Bob's perspective...

'I didn't mean to treat you so bad
You shouldn't take it so personal
I didn't mean to make you so sad
You just happened to be there, that's all'...

[really real]

Post by crazytimes
You just happened to be there, that's all'...

This sounds like something an autistic would say.


I don't blame Dylan for being mean to Edie, because Dylan had to wrestle
with some pretty heavy fame and creativity demons, but in the same
sense, I don't think Dylan should try to stop someone wanting to defame
his bad behavior in a movie. Dylan is an artist in the public eye, and
if someone wants to make a disgusting, foul and retarded movie about
him, Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.

Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

[crazytimes]

Post by really real

Post by crazytimes
You just happened to be there, that's all'...

This sounds like something an autistic would say.
I don't blame Dylan for being mean to Edie, because Dylan had to wrestle
with some pretty heavy fame and creativity demons, but in the same
sense, I don't think Dylan should try to stop someone wanting to defame
his bad behavior in a movie. Dylan is an artist in the public eye, and
if someone wants to make a disgusting, foul and retarded movie about
him, Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

Bob probably never thought that what he did forty-some years ago would
be remembered or even discovered... especially if it was just some
writer's-life affair with a debutante underground superstar... I mean,
what happens underground usually stays underground...

Maybe he doesn't want his kids to see it depicted so badly...

[frinjdwelr]

Post by crazytimes

Post by really real
I don't blame Dylan for being mean to Edie, because Dylan had to wrestle
with some pretty heavy fame and creativity demons, but in the same
sense, I don't think Dylan should try to stop someone wanting to defame
his bad behavior in a movie. Dylan is an artist in the public eye, and
if someone wants to make a disgusting, foul and retarded movie about
him, Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

Maybe he doesn't want his kids to see it depicted so badly...

Maybe he doesn't want to see it depicted so full of bullshit.
And of course he has every right to defend himself against defamation.

[Mr Jinx]

Post by really real

Post by crazytimes
You just happened to be there, that's all'...

This sounds like something an autistic would say.
I don't blame Dylan for being mean to Edie, because Dylan had to wrestle
with some pretty heavy fame and creativity demons, but in the same
sense, I don't think Dylan should try to stop someone wanting to defame
his bad behavior in a movie. Dylan is an artist in the public eye, and
if someone wants to make a disgusting, foul and retarded movie about
him, Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

I think you are right to be uncomfortable about this, really real. It
is actually somewhat un-dylanesque of him to dignify this film by
opposing it in this way. He generally remains silent about the things
people say about him. Usually you would imagine him raising an
eyebrow, sighing and ignoring such a venture. I can only assume
therefore that this film attacks the memory of someone (Edie) who Dylan
remains true to in his memory. Distortions of someone you cared about
and who cannot now respond on their own behalf must be hard to take.

Mr Jinx

[Bob Hughes]

Post by really real
Dylan is an artist in the public eye, and
if someone wants to make a disgusting, foul and retarded movie about
him, Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

He doesn't? Why not? Don't the laws regarding libel and slander
protect him as much as anybody?



Bob Hughes

"I am perpetually awaiting a rebirth of wonder." Lawrence Ferlinghetti

[really real]

Post by Bob Hughes

Post by really real
Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

He doesn't? Why not? Don't the laws regarding libel and slander
protect him as much as anybody?

No, when you're a public figure, you're not protected from libel and
slander the same way a regular person is. First of all, this movie
doesn't have a character in it named Bob Dylan; it has a character,that
because of Bob's fame, people will realize is meant to be him. Also,
when you're in the public eye as a famous person, people are allowed to
make fun of you.

When Robert Downey Sr. made Putney Swope, Richard Nixon wasn't allowed
to sue him because Nixon was portrayed as a machine gun toting midget.

[Zuke]

Post by Bob Hughes

Post by really real
Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

He doesn't? Why not? Don't the laws regarding libel and slander
protect him as much as anybody?

No, when you're a public figure, you're not protected from libel and slander
the same way a regular person is. First of all, this movie doesn't have a
character in it named Bob Dylan; it has a character,that because of Bob's
fame, people will realize is meant to be him. Also, when you're in the public
eye as a famous person, people are allowed to make fun of you.

It's always hard for me to watch movies depicting people I know. Such
as the movies "Ray" or "I walk the line". Countless people tell me
those are great movies and maybe they are but I'm just not interested
because I'll see one untrue thing and it will ruin it for me. Kind
of listening to my knock off copy of Concert for Bangledesh from some
cheapie record company where all the songs are song by imitators".

[really real]

Post by Zuke
It's always hard for me to watch movies depicting people I know. Such
as the movies "Ray" or "I walk the line". Countless people tell me
those are great movies and maybe they are but I'm just not interested
because I'll see one untrue thing and it will ruin it for me. Kind
of listening to my knock off copy of Concert for Bangledesh from some
cheapie record company where all the songs are song by imitators".

Ah, c'mon, Zuke, don't knock the rock biopic. I find these movies always
give me some insight into the lives and artistry of these people. I
learned a lot about how Ray Charles' songs related to his relationship
with Marjorie Hendrix. Similarly, there were very interesting insights
about Johnny Cash's relationship with June Carter and the Carter Family.
I'm not saying they are great movies, but there is much to enjoy about them.

My favorite is still The Buddy Holly Story. Apparently it's full of
distortions, but who cares, it sort of brings Buddy back to life.

[frinjdwelr]

Post by really real

Post by Zuke
It's always hard for me to watch movies depicting people I know. Such
as the movies "Ray" or "I walk the line". Countless people tell me
those are great movies and maybe they are but I'm just not interested
because I'll see one untrue thing and it will ruin it for me. Kind
of listening to my knock off copy of Concert for Bangledesh from some
cheapie record company where all the songs are song by imitators".

Ah, c'mon, Zuke, don't knock the rock biopic. I find these movies always
give me some insight into the lives and artistry of these people. I
learned a lot about how Ray Charles' songs related to his relationship
with Marjorie Hendrix. Similarly, there were very interesting insights
about Johnny Cash's relationship with June Carter and the Carter Family.
I'm not saying they are great movies, but there is much to enjoy about them.
My favorite is still The Buddy Holly Story. Apparently it's full of
distortions, but who cares, it sort of brings Buddy back to life.

If you want to bring Buddy Holly or any of the rest to life, listen to the
music and do your research homework. Those simplistic "biopics" are all
full of distortions and fallacies, and I do care. You're not getting
insight into the artists' lives and work. You're getting insight into some
filmaker's point of view and whatever twist he wants to push. I'm with
Zuke. I avoid them all. I like fiction, but not masquerading as fact.

[really real]

Post by frinjdwelr
If you want to bring Buddy Holly or any of the rest to life, listen to the
music and do your research homework. Those simplistic "biopics" are all
full of distortions and fallacies, and I do care. You're not getting
insight into the artists' lives and work. You're getting insight into some
filmaker's point of view and whatever twist he wants to push. I'm with
Zuke. I avoid them all. I like fiction, but not masquerading as fact.

I've read every book I can find on Buddy Holly. I have bought all his
records and cds. Yet, that simplistic biopic still made Buddy come to
life for me.

Yes, yes, all facts are personal, and there's no such thing as true
objectivity, but a biopic can add to one's understanding.

[J Buck]

frinjdwelr wrote: <If you want to bring Buddy Holly or any of the rest
to life, listen to the music and do your research homework. Those
simplistic "biopics" are all full of distortions and fallacies, and I do
care. You're not getting insight into the artists' lives and work.
You're getting insight into some filmaker's point of view and whatever
twist he wants to push. I'm with Zuke. I avoid them all. I like fiction,
but not masquerading as fact.>

Just keep telling yourself, "it's only a movie". (emphasis on *only*).
You'll enjoy it more. 'Avoiding them all' as you put it, deprives
yourself of some pretty good movies. It's a moot point if you want a
strictly documentary retelling of the life of an artist, (and as we all
know from Michael Moore, even documentaries can be skewed) but I woudn't
discount movies such as these as quickly as you seem to be doing.

[Bernie Woodham]

Post by J Buck
frinjdwelr wrote: <If you want to bring Buddy Holly or any of the rest
to life, listen to the music and do your research homework. Those
simplistic "biopics" are all full of distortions and fallacies, and I do
care. You're not getting insight into the artists' lives and work.
You're getting insight into some filmaker's point of view and whatever
twist he wants to push. I'm with Zuke. I avoid them all. I like fiction,
but not masquerading as fact.>
Just keep telling yourself, "it's only a movie". (emphasis on *only*).
You'll enjoy it more. 'Avoiding them all' as you put it, deprives
yourself of some pretty good movies. It's a moot point if you want a
strictly documentary retelling of the life of an artist, (and as we all
know from Michael Moore, even documentaries can be skewed) but I woudn't
discount movies such as these as quickly as you seem to be doing.

Does that include Beatles Cartoons?

Hmmmm... How about Saturday morning Dylan cartoons?

[crazytimes]

Post by Bernie Woodham

Post by J Buck
Just keep telling yourself, "it's only a movie". (emphasis on *only*).
You'll enjoy it more. 'Avoiding them all' as you put it, deprives
yourself of some pretty good movies. It's a moot point if you want a
strictly documentary retelling of the life of an artist, (and as we all
know from Michael Moore, even documentaries can be skewed) but I woudn't
discount movies such as these as quickly as you seem to be doing.

Does that include Beatles Cartoons?
Hmmmm... How about Saturday morning Dylan cartoons?

A Dylan cartoon would be hilarious... The infamous Dylan caricatured
voice come to life... They could act out songs like Subterranean
Homesick Blues, Bob Dylan's 115th Dream, Please Crawl Out Your
Window... It would be Greatest Hits era Dylan, of course, otherwise
they'll be screaming babies in every frame afterwards... Guest
appearances by Joan Baez, Allen Ginsberg, The Beatles, Brian Jones,
Andy Warhol, a fictionalized Edie Sedgwick, Woody Guthrie, Donovan...
It's a hit... Get the guys from South Park to do it...

[Wilbur Slice]

Post by crazytimes

Post by Bernie Woodham

Post by J Buck
Just keep telling yourself, "it's only a movie". (emphasis on *only*).
You'll enjoy it more. 'Avoiding them all' as you put it, deprives
yourself of some pretty good movies. It's a moot point if you want a
strictly documentary retelling of the life of an artist, (and as we all
know from Michael Moore, even documentaries can be skewed) but I woudn't
discount movies such as these as quickly as you seem to be doing.

Does that include Beatles Cartoons?
Hmmmm... How about Saturday morning Dylan cartoons?

A Dylan cartoon would be hilarious... The infamous Dylan caricatured
voice come to life... They could act out songs like Subterranean
Homesick Blues, Bob Dylan's 115th Dream, Please Crawl Out Your
Window... It would be Greatest Hits era Dylan, of course, otherwise
they'll be screaming babies in every frame afterwards... Guest
appearances by Joan Baez, Allen Ginsberg, The Beatles, Brian Jones,
Andy Warhol, a fictionalized Edie Sedgwick, Woody Guthrie, Donovan...
It's a hit... Get the guys from South Park to do it...

Maybe Twyla Tharpe could contribute some ideas.

[Pilgrim]

Post by Wilbur Slice

Post by crazytimes

Post by Bernie Woodham

Post by J Buck
Just keep telling yourself, "it's only a movie". (emphasis on *only*).
You'll enjoy it more. 'Avoiding them all' as you put it, deprives
yourself of some pretty good movies. It's a moot point if you want a
strictly documentary retelling of the life of an artist, (and as we all
know from Michael Moore, even documentaries can be skewed) but I woudn't
discount movies such as these as quickly as you seem to be doing.

Does that include Beatles Cartoons?
Hmmmm... How about Saturday morning Dylan cartoons?

A Dylan cartoon would be hilarious... The infamous Dylan caricatured
voice come to life... They could act out songs like Subterranean
Homesick Blues, Bob Dylan's 115th Dream, Please Crawl Out Your
Window... It would be Greatest Hits era Dylan, of course, otherwise
they'll be screaming babies in every frame afterwards... Guest
appearances by Joan Baez, Allen Ginsberg, The Beatles, Brian Jones,
Andy Warhol, a fictionalized Edie Sedgwick, Woody Guthrie, Donovan...
It's a hit... Get the guys from South Park to do it...

Maybe Twyla Tharpe could contribute some ideas.

That would surely ruin it. Maybe she could have a guest role, in a
prophetic dream that turns into a modern dance nightmare.

[Mr. Rick]

Post by frinjdwelr
I like fiction, but not masquerading as fact.

I guess you're not fond of Hurricane. Dylan has made good use of the very
same artistic license he's attempting to deny the filmmakers of Factory
Girl.

[t***@yahoo.com]

Post by Mr. Rick

Post by frinjdwelr
I like fiction, but not masquerading as fact.

I guess you're not fond of Hurricane. Dylan has made good use of the very
same artistic license he's attempting to deny the filmmakers of Factory
Girl.

Sorry I don't remember what the title was, but a documentary film was
released about Edie decades ago that among other things showed her
years after the NY Factory days living in California. She was
obviously a drug addict, she couldn't say a coherent sentence. She then
had very long dark hair and a boob job (we know because she was naked)
and was putting whatever she had left of the family money up her nose
or in her arm. It was actually so squalid and self-destructive that no
decent person could have found any irony or pleasure in how bad off she
was. All those years later, was Bob Dylan responsible for the wretched
state Edie was shown to be living in? The other thing is a lot of this
b.s. about Edie and Dylan came from the mouth of Andy Warhol, a
notorious liar and gossip. Just the fact that people in this thread
believe that version of events about Dylan and Edie show how Warhol's
lies have taken on a life of their own. A movie that even hints that
those lies are true is unfair to Dylan and he has every right to object
to being depicted in a way he believes is untrue. And Edie? From the
view
of her at the end of her life, she had suffered a lot of damage to be
so destroyed. But it's doubtful that it was inficted by Bob Dylan.
Somebody working for Dylan has probably located a copy of that
documentary about Edie and if his lawyers actually have to go to court
to stop the film, they could use that documentary, Edie in Edie's own
words, years after she knew Dylan, to make sure the EDIE biopic is not
going to be released showing Dylan responsible for anything about Edie
Sedgwick.

Watch for clips from the Edie documentary made years ago to show up on
youtube if this actually becomes a big story.

[bobette]

Post by t***@yahoo.com

Post by Mr. Rick

Post by frinjdwelr
I like fiction, but not masquerading as fact.

I guess you're not fond of Hurricane. Dylan has made good use of the very
same artistic license he's attempting to deny the filmmakers of Factory
Girl.

Sorry I don't remember what the title was, but a documentary film was
released about Edie decades ago that among other things showed her
years after the NY Factory days living in California. She was
obviously a drug addict, she couldn't say a coherent sentence. She then
had very long dark hair and a boob job (we know because she was naked)
and was putting whatever she had left of the family money up her nose
or in her arm. It was actually so squalid and self-destructive that no
decent person could have found any irony or pleasure in how bad off she
was. All those years later, was Bob Dylan responsible for the wretched
state Edie was shown to be living in? The other thing is a lot of this
b.s. about Edie and Dylan came from the mouth of Andy Warhol, a
notorious liar and gossip. Just the fact that people in this thread
believe that version of events about Dylan and Edie show how Warhol's
lies have taken on a life of their own. A movie that even hints that
those lies are true is unfair to Dylan and he has every right to object
to being depicted in a way he believes is untrue. And Edie? From the
view
of her at the end of her life, she had suffered a lot of damage to be
so destroyed. But it's doubtful that it was inficted by Bob Dylan.
Somebody working for Dylan has probably located a copy of that
documentary about Edie and if his lawyers actually have to go to court
to stop the film, they could use that documentary, Edie in Edie's own
words, years after she knew Dylan, to make sure the EDIE biopic is not
going to be released showing Dylan responsible for anything about Edie
Sedgwick.
Watch for clips from the Edie documentary made years ago to show up on
youtube if this actually becomes a big story.

I found this:

http://www.rams.demon.co.uk/estext2.htm

[Pilgrim]

Post by t***@yahoo.com

Post by Mr. Rick

Post by frinjdwelr
I like fiction, but not masquerading as fact.

I guess you're not fond of Hurricane. Dylan has made good use of the very
same artistic license he's attempting to deny the filmmakers of Factory
Girl.

Sorry I don't remember what the title was, but a documentary film was
released about Edie decades ago that among other things showed her
years after the NY Factory days living in California. She was
obviously a drug addict, she couldn't say a coherent sentence. She then
had very long dark hair and a boob job (we know because she was naked)
and was putting whatever she had left of the family money up her nose
or in her arm. It was actually so squalid and self-destructive that no
decent person could have found any irony or pleasure in how bad off she
was. All those years later, was Bob Dylan responsible for the wretched
state Edie was shown to be living in? The other thing is a lot of this
b.s. about Edie and Dylan came from the mouth of Andy Warhol, a
notorious liar and gossip. Just the fact that people in this thread
believe that version of events about Dylan and Edie show how Warhol's
lies have taken on a life of their own. A movie that even hints that
those lies are true is unfair to Dylan and he has every right to object
to being depicted in a way he believes is untrue. And Edie? From the
view
of her at the end of her life, she had suffered a lot of damage to be
so destroyed. But it's doubtful that it was inficted by Bob Dylan.
Somebody working for Dylan has probably located a copy of that
documentary about Edie and if his lawyers actually have to go to court
to stop the film, they could use that documentary, Edie in Edie's own
words, years after she knew Dylan, to make sure the EDIE biopic is not
going to be released showing Dylan responsible for anything about Edie
Sedgwick.
Watch for clips from the Edie documentary made years ago to show up on
youtube if this actually becomes a big story.

There's more to this, though:

"Andy Warhol was often blamed for Edie Sedgwick's descent into drug
addiction and mental illness. However, before meeting Warhol, Edie had
been in mental hospitals twice and came from a family with a history of
mental illness. She was only close to Warhol for about a year, from
approximately March 1965 to February 1966."

Her family appears to have a history of mental illness and substance
abuse. She was first institutionalized (for anorexia) in 1962 and
inherited her mental issues from her father - as did at least two of
her siblings. Her older brother also committed suicide.

http://www.warholstars.org/stars/edie.html

If anyone is to blame for her suicide, and I don't believe that blame
is really appropriate here, it would be Edie. I can fully understand
Dylans issue with this. He's being publicly blamed for the destruction
of a woman who he probably cared about. I can believe he lead her on,
but that's not enough to drive a woman to suicide and drug abuse and if
you read that page, assuming that most of it is accurate, it's fairly
clear that she wasn't very stable to begin with.

[frinjdwelr]

Post by Pilgrim

Post by t***@yahoo.com
Sorry I don't remember what the title was, but a documentary film was
released about Edie decades ago that among other things showed her
years after the NY Factory days living in California. She was
obviously a drug addict, she couldn't say a coherent sentence. She then
had very long dark hair and a boob job (we know because she was naked)
and was putting whatever she had left of the family money up her nose
or in her arm. It was actually so squalid and self-destructive that no
decent person could have found any irony or pleasure in how bad off she
was. All those years later, was Bob Dylan responsible for the wretched
state Edie was shown to be living in? The other thing is a lot of this
b.s. about Edie and Dylan came from the mouth of Andy Warhol, a
notorious liar and gossip. Just the fact that people in this thread
believe that version of events about Dylan and Edie show how Warhol's
lies have taken on a life of their own. A movie that even hints that
those lies are true is unfair to Dylan and he has every right to object
to being depicted in a way he believes is untrue.

"Andy Warhol was often blamed for Edie Sedgwick's descent into drug
addiction and mental illness. However, before meeting Warhol, Edie had
been in mental hospitals twice and came from a family with a history of
mental illness. She was only close to Warhol for about a year, from
approximately March 1965 to February 1966."
Her family appears to have a history of mental illness and substance
abuse. She was first institutionalized (for anorexia) in 1962 and
inherited her mental issues from her father - as did at least two of
her siblings. Her older brother also committed suicide.
http://www.warholstars.org/stars/edie.html
If anyone is to blame for her suicide, and I don't believe that blame
is really appropriate here, it would be Edie. I can fully understand
Dylans issue with this. He's being publicly blamed for the destruction
of a woman who he probably cared about. I can believe he lead her on,
but that's not enough to drive a woman to suicide and drug abuse and if
you read that page, assuming that most of it is accurate, it's fairly
clear that she wasn't very stable to begin with.

When this thread started, I assumed everyone already knew all this about
Edie.
I forget how young most here are.
And there's even more to discredit this movie. Apparently the writers got
some of their info from some sort of diary Edie wrote, wherein she referred
to "Bobby." They assumed she was talking about Dylan, when she was actually
referring to Bob Newirth. While she may have had an overnight with Dylan,
she had a more extended affair with Newirth.

Of course we know about Dylan interviews, but when he was asked directly
about an affair with Edie, he denied it. That was back in 85 when there was
really no motivation to lie.

Bob Dylan's lawyers have never been in the habit of filing frivolous
lawsuits. If they're suing now, they have reasons they can back up.

[M. Rick]

Bob Dylan's lawyers have never been in the habit of filing frivolous lawsuits. If they're suing now, they have reasons they can back up.

Dylan doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. I suspect his main goal is
to pressure the filmmakers into ceding to his demands concerning this
character.

[really real]

Post by Mr. Rick
I guess you're not fond of Hurricane. Dylan has made good use of the very
same artistic license he's attempting to deny the filmmakers of Factory
Girl.

Didn't Jacques Levy write Hurricane?


Hurricane is still my last favorite Dylan song, even after the last
three albums, and it definitely breaks the mold of self-referentiality.
The early protest songs did too, though because Dylan would tell them
and think them and speak them and breathe them and reflect them from the
mountain so all souls can see them and then stood on the ocean until he
started sinkin', then every protest song that came after meant that Bob
was inside the song, knowing it well.

[Mr Jinx]

Post by really real

Post by Mr. Rick
I guess you're not fond of Hurricane. Dylan has made good use of the very
same artistic license he's attempting to deny the filmmakers of Factory
Girl.

Didn't Jacques Levy write Hurricane?
Hurricane is still my last favorite Dylan song, even after the last
three albums, and it definitely breaks the mold of self-referentiality.
The early protest songs did too, though because Dylan would tell them
and think them and speak them and breathe them and reflect them from the
mountain so all souls can see them and then stood on the ocean until he
started sinkin', then every protest song that came after meant that Bob
was inside the song, knowing it well.

I absolutely love that song. But not because I feel passionate about
the plight of the wronged boxer. More because I love the way Dylan
sings lines like 'Had noww Ideahhh whatkinda sheet was 'bout to go
doooowwwn'

He sounds VITAL. He sounds ALIVE. He sounds CONNECTED.

I doubt whether he lost any sleep about the cause itself either .. but
having a cause of some kind was obviously what he needed to get him
going. So a boxer wrongly accused. Just like Joey (a Mafia man
wrongly accused) would do.

And check out that ride cymbal on the fade out ... YEAAAHHHHHHHH
!!!!!!!!

Mr Jinx

[Bob Hughes]

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Post by Bob Hughes

Post by really real
Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

He doesn't? Why not? Don't the laws regarding libel and slander
protect him as much as anybody?

No, when you're a public figure, you're not protected from libel and
slander the same way a regular person is. First of all, this movie
doesn't have a character in it named Bob Dylan; it has a character,that
because of Bob's fame, people will realize is meant to be him. Also,
when you're in the public eye as a famous person, people are allowed to
make fun of you.

An awful lot of public figures have made a lot of money suing tabloids
for libel and slander. So what you're saying can't be 100 % accurate.


When Robert Downey Sr. made Putney Swope, Richard Nixon wasn't allowed

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to sue him because Nixon was portrayed as a machine gun toting

midget.

That's satire. That's covered by the first amendment. If Nixon had
just had the machine gun, but hadn't been a midget, then they might
have had a problem.


Bob Hughes

"I am perpetually awaiting a rebirth of wonder." Lawrence Ferlinghetti

[Bernie Woodham]

Post by Bob Hughes

Post by really real
Dylan is an artist in the public eye, and
if someone wants to make a disgusting, foul and retarded movie about
him, Dylan has no right trying to shut it down and prevent us from
seeing it.
Let Dylan fight bad art with good art.

He doesn't? Why not? Don't the laws regarding libel and slander
protect him as much as anybody?

Right. I don't know that he's fighting "art" as much as he is fighting
exploitation.

[Bernie Woodham]

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Am I missing something or has no one in rmd commented on the news that
Dylan is trying to block the release of the movie, Factory Girl, because
it blames him for Edie Sedgwick's suicide?

Old news. I remember posting a link to an article about it a few months ago,
and I think someone else did before me.

To answer the question in the subject line:

It seems Dylan was leading Sedgwick on; Sedgwick did not know the Dylan had
gotten married:

"In November 1965, Dylan married Sara in a secret ceremony - something that
Edie apparently found out from Warhol during an argument at the Gingerman
Restaurant in February 1966.

Paul Morrissey: "She [Edie] said, 'They're [Dylan's people] going to make
a film and I'm supposed to star in it with Bobby [Dylan].' Suddenly it was
Bobby this and Bobby that, and they realized that she had a crush on him.
They thought he'd been leading her on, because just that day Andy had heard
in his lawyer's office that Dylan had been secretly married for a few
months - he married Sarah Lownds in November 1965... Andy couldn't resist
asking, 'Did you know Edie that Bob Dylan has gotten married?' She was
trembling. They realized that she really thought of herself as entering a
relationship with Dylan, that maybe he hadn't been truthful." "

http://www.warholstars.org/stars/edie.html



But she didn't die until 1971, so it's a bit of a stretch to say the Dylan
was the reason behind her death. If I were Dylan, I'd be a little pissed
too. So, I can't say I blame him.

[crazytimes]

Post by Bernie Woodham

Post by really real
Am I missing something or has no one in rmd commented on the news that
Dylan is trying to block the release of the movie, Factory Girl, because
it blames him for Edie Sedgwick's suicide?

Old news. I remember posting a link to an article about it a few months ago,
and I think someone else did before me.
It seems Dylan was leading Sedgwick on; Sedgwick did not know the Dylan had

I tend to think they actually did have an affair, and that's why it
bothers Bob so much... He's trying to protect himself, of course, but
part of him may actually be protective of her...

I think that One Of Us Must Know, Leopard-Skill Pillbox Hat, Just Like
A Woman, Temporary Like Achilles, and Fourth Time Around are about her,
and that some heavy, if brief, affair went down between them.

I mean, they were both on amphetamines at the time, so they had plenty
of time to have a start to finish affair in two or three weeks that to
them at the time would seem to have lasted a few months...

Post by Bernie Woodham
"In November 1965, Dylan married Sara in a secret ceremony - something that
Edie apparently found out from Warhol during an argument at the Gingerman
Restaurant in February 1966.
Paul Morrissey: "She [Edie] said, 'They're [Dylan's people] going to make
a film and I'm supposed to star in it with Bobby [Dylan].' Suddenly it was
Bobby this and Bobby that, and they realized that she had a crush on him.
They thought he'd been leading her on, because just that day Andy had heard
in his lawyer's office that Dylan had been secretly married for a few
months - he married Sarah Lownds in November 1965... Andy couldn't resist
asking, 'Did you know Edie that Bob Dylan has gotten married?' She was
trembling. They realized that she really thought of herself as entering a
relationship with Dylan, that maybe he hadn't been truthful." "
http://www.warholstars.org/stars/edie.html
But she didn't die until 1971, so it's a bit of a stretch to say the Dylan
was the reason behind her death. If I were Dylan, I'd be a little pissed
too. So, I can't say I blame him.

[Zuke]

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Post by Bernie Woodham

Post by really real
Am I missing something or has no one in rmd commented on the news that
Dylan is trying to block the release of the movie, Factory Girl, because
it blames him for Edie Sedgwick's suicide?

Old news. I remember posting a link to an article about it a few months ago,
and I think someone else did before me.
It seems Dylan was leading Sedgwick on; Sedgwick did not know the Dylan had

I tend to think they actually did have an affair, and that's why it
bothers Bob so much... He's trying to protect himself, of course, but
part of him may actually be protective of her...
I think that One Of Us Must Know, Leopard-Skill Pillbox Hat, Just Like
A Woman, Temporary Like Achilles, and Fourth Time Around are about her,
and that some heavy, if brief, affair went down between them.

What about "She's Your Lover Now?" If so, must have been a torrid
affair since Dylan pours as much emotion into that performance on
Bootleg as he does later on the "Idiot Wind" on Rolling Thunder.

[crazytimes]

Post by Zuke

Post by crazytimes
I think that One Of Us Must Know, Leopard-Skill Pillbox Hat, Just Like
A Woman, Temporary Like Achilles, and Fourth Time Around are about her,
and that some heavy, if brief, affair went down between them.

What about "She's Your Lover Now?" If so, must have been a torrid
affair since Dylan pours as much emotion into that performance on
Bootleg as he does later on the "Idiot Wind" on Rolling Thunder.

Definitely also SYLN... I think that song originated at the same time
as One of Us Must Know...

[Mr. Rick]

Dylan should sue himself for besmirching the name of Bob Dylan.

[bobette]

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Am I missing something or has no one in rmd commented on the news that
Dylan is trying to block the release of the movie, Factory Girl, because
it blames him for Edie Sedgwick's suicide?
Bob Dylan Throws A Gigantic Wobbly About Factory Girl
December 15th, 2006 at 15:30 by Stuart Heritage
Bob Dylan Factory Girl Block Release Movie Sienna Miller Edie Sedgwick
Bob Dylan seems to be relishing his role as Favourite Elderly Wank
Fantasy Of Middle-Aged Rock Critics, because it's giving him the chance
to speak out on anything he wants to, like how unutterably rubbish the
new Sienna Miller film Factor Girl looks.
To be fair to Bob Dylan, he isn't angry at Factory Girl because it looks
like the most horribly ill-conceived and transparent attempt at an
Oscar-worthy film that's been made in years, or because all sensible
people would rather staple their eyes closed and run through a minefield
than watch a Sienna Miller film. Instead, Bob Dylan is angry because
there's a character in the forthcoming movie played by Hayden
Christensen who a) is very obviously meant to be Bob Dylan and b) is
indirectly responsible for the main character's suicide. And Bob Dylan
is so angry with Factory Girl that he wants to stop the film being
released at all.
Bob Dylan hasn't been as popular as he is now for decades. His last
record went to number one around the world, he's got his very own Bob
Dylan radio show and his old poems sell for thousands of dollars at
auction. This new position of fame means that Bob Dylan can do whatever
the hell he wants, like slag off all modern music - and even try to get
major films blocked. Factory Girl - a biopic of Andy Warhol's favourite
drug-twatted party ninny Edie Sedgwick - is supposed to be coming out at
the end of the month, but not if Bob Dylan gets his way.
In real life, Bob Dylan and Edie Sedgwick are thought to have had some
kind of affair. But in Factory Girl, Edie Sedgwick tops herself on drugs
after breaking up with Danny Quinn, a character who couldn't be any more
like Bob Dylan if a character based on Martin Scorsese followed him
around licking his arse all the time. And as far as Bob Dylan is
"You appear to be labouring under the misunderstanding that merely
changing the name of a character or making him a purported fictional
composite will immunise you from a suit. That is not so. Even though Mr
Dylan's name is not used, the portrayal remains both defamatory and a
violation of Mr Dylan's right of publicity. Until we are given an
opportunity to view the film, we hereby demand that all distribution and
screenings immediately be ceased."
Shame Bob Dylan didn't use this right to block a release when he let
someone make a modern dance-interpreted musical based on his songs too,
really. There hasn't been an official response from the makers of
Factory Girl, but we'd imagine that Hayden Christensen - who plays the
Bob Dylan character - would probably respond by looking at the sky and
shouting "Nooooooo!" because he was in a film where he did that once.
For a supposedly Oscar-worthy movie, Factory Girl isn't having the best
of times. As well as potentially being stomped into dust by Bob Dylan's
mighty boot, Lou Reed - who is played by one of Weezer in Factory Girl -
"I read that script. It's one of the most disgusting, foul things
I've seen - by any illiterate retard - in a long time."
Not really Sienna Miller's day, is it? First she says a lot of dumb shit
in a magazine and now this. And we thought Sienna had it bad when
Captain Combover did it with the nanny.

Another article:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/film/dylan-bid-to-halt-film/2006/12/15/1165685862173.html