In memorial ... John Lennon

[Jimmy the Saint]

may his spirit live forever!

[Bill Kawalec]

[O***@aol.com]

Love is real, real is love
Love is feeling, feeling love
Love is wanting to be loved

Love is touch, touch is love
Love is reaching, reaching love
Love is asking to be loved

Love is you
You and me
Love is knowing
We can be

Love is free, free is love
Love is living, living love
Love is needing to be loved

John Lennon
R.I.P
NFA!

A bad little kid moved into my neighborhood
He won't do nothing right just sitting down and looks so good
He don't want to go to school and learn to read and write
Just sits around the house and plays the rock and roll music all night
Well, he put some tacks on teachers chair
Puts chewing gum in little girl's hair
Hey, junior, behave yourself

Buys every rock and roll book on the magazine stand
Every dime that he get is lost to the jukebox man
Well he worries his teacher till at night she's ready to poop

From rocking and a-rolling spinning in a hula hoop

Well this rock and roll has got to stop
Junior's head is hard as rock
Now, junior, behave yourself

Going tell your mama you better do what she said
Get to the barber shop and get that hair cut off your head
Threw the canary and you fed it to the neighbors cat
You gave the cocker spaniel a bath in mother's laundramat
Well, mama's head has got to stop
Junior's head is hard as rock
Now, junior, behave yourself

[Barbara]

Post by Jimmy the Saint
may his spirit live forever!

Yes, today marks the 25th anniversary of his death and I don't see a thing
on tv. Am I missing it? Anyone in the US see something airing in tribute to
him?
He is sorely missed and most deserving of recognition.

Barbara

[J Buck]

Barbara wrote:
<today marks the 25th anniversary of his death and I don't see a thing
on tv. Am I missing it? Anyone in the US see something airing in tribute
to him?>

Don't know about tv, but it was mentioned throughout the afternoon on
top of the hour newscasts on ABC Radio

[rachel]

Post by Jimmy the Saint
may his spirit live forever!

Where were you all when it happened?

I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.

I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.

(I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why
regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their
lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also
having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
right now. Please forgive! :-/)

[m***@umich.edu]

Post by rachel

Post by Jimmy the Saint
may his spirit live forever!

Where were you all when it happened?
I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
(I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why
regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their
lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also
having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
right now. Please forgive! :-/)

I was in High School. I think it was my last year. My mom woke me up
and told me to turn on the radio. They'd quit the regular programming
and were just reading news reports. At first I didn't know he'd been
killed, but was really scared he was and started having imaginary
conversations with him about being shot and telling him I hoped it was
really serious, like he'd just gotten shot in the arm or something. I
guess it was the fear. A few minutes after this, they announced he was
dead and I just sat on my bed in shock for several minutes. My mom had
heard the news that he was dead and told me to stay home from school.
I spent most of the day listening to his records and crying, feeling a
hole in my heart. By the afternoon, I needed to go out, so I hung out
in a record store with several other stunned people, all talking about
Lennon and listening to his music. Many of the stores were playing
Beatles music or Lennons solo work. I remember it seemed like the
whole world was in shock.

[m***@umich.edu]

Post by m***@umich.edu

Post by rachel

Post by Jimmy the Saint
may his spirit live forever!

Where were you all when it happened?
I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
(I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why
regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their
lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also
having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
right now. Please forgive! :-/)

I was in High School. I think it was my last year. My mom woke me up
and told me to turn on the radio. They'd quit the regular programming
and were just reading news reports. At first I didn't know he'd been
killed, but was really scared he was and started having imaginary
conversations with him about being shot and telling him I hoped it was
really serious,

Of course, I meant here, that I hoped it wasn't really serious...

Post by m***@umich.edu
like he'd just gotten shot in the arm or something. I
guess it was the fear. A few minutes after this, they announced he was
dead and I just sat on my bed in shock for several minutes. My mom had
heard the news that he was dead and told me to stay home from school.
I spent most of the day listening to his records and crying, feeling a
hole in my heart. By the afternoon, I needed to go out, so I hung out
in a record store with several other stunned people, all talking about
Lennon and listening to his music. Many of the stores were playing
Beatles music or Lennons solo work. I remember it seemed like the
whole world was in shock.

[rachel]

***@umich.edu wrote:
snip

your story brought tears to my eyes.

i guess i can sort of relate.

but like, i'm watching IMAGINE right now, and seeing the girls
screaming, i mean, like, OK, i'm just being honest, i burst out
laughing, because it seems so stupid to me. i'm totally on another
emotional level as a female and human being.

see, now BOB DYLAN, on the other hand, that was this private serious
business because it was almost all within me, and only rarely did it
reach me from outside through another human being, and then he turned
REAL. understand?

so there have been times here, when i'm freaking out, admittedly on
crystal, about what am i going to do, how can i handle it, if i find
out that he has...you know.

and so i'm like, ok, i'm cancelling my newspaper.

no t.v.

i'm shutting myself off from the outside world.

i'll tell rmd, aol, google, the computer.

let it never end.

we'll all just keep on playing, and he'll just keep touring, because i
just can't handle it.

not through the media, at least.

if we were together, however, i think i'd be expecting it, and could
handle it.

but not through the media.

like the thing in '97.

it was so shocking/painful, not only did the news flash cause me to sit
up with a major jolt at the mention of his name and freeze in horror at
the t.v. monitor from my little bed in my Board & Care, but then the
news made one of my eyes break water, and shortly thereafter, the t.v.
died.

i HATE that word, "h..." i can't STAND it, and i didn't think "going to
see Elvis" was in anyway amusing. i was very mad at him for taking
himself so unseriously.

and i think it's obvious and is in no way challenging to know which
side of the picture from "L&T" is up on my closet wall.

yes, bob, you brainwashed ex-jesus freak; THE closet.

wanna come over and see it? :) (hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink - a
date! i'm talking about a NORMAL date. 3 HOURS!?! That's disGUSting!
:-D Well, thank G-d at least there's no way you can be married to
anybody if you're doing THAT. i'm simutaneously at the time crying
tears of relief and joy, and laughing with horror and delight. oh god,
please don't punish me with prophecy from Like A Rolling Stone.
Actually, I SWEAR TO G-D, it had more to do with Aunt Sally than Bob.
:) (hi aunt sally! you're a pretty incredible lady! too cool for me,
but hi anyway!)

[J Buck]

<Where were you all when it happened?>

I was married less than a year. We had just moved into the house I still
live in. Bitterly cold that first week of December '80. I was
board-opping a UMaine hockey game on radio when a reporter from the TV
station we shared the building with ran in to tell me. I still have the
AP newsflash copy...4 words---John Lennon Shot Dead

[rachel]

Post by J Buck
<Where were you all when it happened?>
I was married less than a year. We had just moved into the house I still
live in. Bitterly cold that first week of December '80. I was
board-opping a UMaine hockey game on radio when a reporter from the TV
station we shared the building with ran in to tell me. I still have the
AP newsflash copy...4 words---John Lennon Shot Dead

Jesus. That's awful. (if you cared)

Bob, I have to be with/near you when you die.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to build myself a machine t' hide in until I
die. Physically.

you know i can't move on.



all i need is a miracle

all i ne-ed

is you

knocking on my door, (find your own way in! lotsa people do it!) with a
little bouquet of flowers and i'll be totally SCREWED!

i'll have t' open the door, and hang and shake my head and say, "sorry.
i'm so sorry. i know i look like shit. come on in...i made it with you
in mind. it stands eternal. take as long as you want. damn, should i
walk through it with you, or go clean myself up? (like, i got big fat
eyebrows, ew!)

p.s. i got something really really really nice to thank you for, i
think. i was reading lyrics again, and feeling pretty doomed, and then
realized that the "lyrics" were in orange color, and supposedly, at
least from one source, a Jewish source, that this meant criticism and
exclusion. Is there an OBJECTIVE reality? what a stupid question.
(that's a MEAN thing to say, Rachel!) Well, like i said, it's too good
t' be true. Oh wait. Tommy said it first. There's nothing left
t'sayyyyyyyyy.

Except...

i love you...ykw

NOTHING ABOUT YOU IS ABSURD, BOB DYLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're GOD!!!!!!

And if anybody else says or thinks that about you, well, THEY are MOST
CERTAINLY, absurd. (unless they think you love me and we are going to
be together :-) )

[Debra Lind]

Twenty five years. Half a lifetime ago for me. Doesn't seem that long.

I was halfway down the hallway to the bathroom, after getting up from
the tv. The news came interrupting whatever was on and it stopped me in
my tracks. I couldn't believe it. Just kind of leaned against the wall
and sat down right there, in shock. The news kept playing over and over.
Then the next day all the people in New York mourning. Man, some bad
times that was. Lots of tears...

I STILL can't hear Imagine with out getting choked up.

He will always be missed.

[yakuza]

Debra - I'm glad to hear the reports of your demise are greatly exaggerated.
I was reading the obits in the Orange County Register a couple of weeks ago
and saw one for a Debra J. Lind. Thought of you.

Post by Debra Lind
Twenty five years. Half a lifetime ago for me. Doesn't seem that long.
I was halfway down the hallway to the bathroom, after getting up from
the tv. The news came interrupting whatever was on and it stopped me in
my tracks. I couldn't believe it. Just kind of leaned against the wall
and sat down right there, in shock. The news kept playing over and over.
Then the next day all the people in New York mourning. Man, some bad
times that was. Lots of tears...
I STILL can't hear Imagine with out getting choked up.
He will always be missed.

[Debra Lind]

Glad to hear it isn't me also!
Thanks for the thought.

[Rachel]

Post by rachel

Post by Jimmy the Saint
may his spirit live forever!

Where were you all when it happened?
I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
(I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why
regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their
lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also
having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
right now. Please forgive! :-/)

no, i remember now. it was "john lennon was shot." but i was just a kid, i didn't understand, i had no idea who he was, iow, you could say, "what it meant."

[Rachel]

Post by Rachel

Post by rachel

Post by Jimmy the Saint
may his spirit live forever!

Where were you all when it happened?
I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
(I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why
regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their
lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also
having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
right now. Please forgive! :-/)

no, i remember now. it was "john lennon was shot." but i was just a kid, i didn't understand, i had no idea who he was, iow, you could say, "what it meant."

i'd never forget my bob dylan story....maybe a faulty subject or hazy timing of some experiences, like when i thought what watching DLB or whatever, (just some of it, other parts, for certain), but that's it.

otomh, just that one part "i wish he were my boyfriend." everything is pretty much total recall, without actually calling it to mind right now. (i'm sure i said that, in fact, though, when i retold it, that i'm not quite certain when that was.) maybe somebody could piece it together, a sort of confabulation from within and without, if that even has any meaning anymore...)

[Dylanstubs]

I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

[Barbara]

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I was living in Brooklyn and working in Manhattan. I remember thinking how
cool it would be if I'd run into John and how cool it was that he was living
in NY, the same city as me, the same city I loved.
What a shocking time that was, what a horrendous act.
I miss him as do many. It should have never happened.

Barbara

[roberta]

Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.

I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.

I'll never forget it.

r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

[Pamela Brown]

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

[Willie]

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,

I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

Marc

[Willie]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.

Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

[Willie]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

[Pamela Brown]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Speaking only for myself, loving the Beatles is just a lifelong thing, wherever they are, whatever they are doing. So in that sense it doesn't matter if they are actively performing or not...

As far as Get Back is concerned, I am wading in slowly. I bought the book.

My tolerance for Yoko is just based on the fact that John loved her and insisted that she accompany him wherever he went. So in order for the Beatles to have John, they had to accept Yoko in their midst as well.

However, I do not think Yoko broke the Beatles up. They evolved. And, in part, this had to do with Bob. They adored him, they loved his music. But he turned around and called them 'cute'. And they were. Bob challenged them to write more profound songs, and they did. Then they evolved. And then came Yoko...

[K. Hematite]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela

rec.music.beatles
September 1987

rec.music.dylan
July 31, 1989


https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html

"When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.

"There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.

"*rec*.music.beatles."


Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
From: ***@best.com (John Howells)
Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <***@shell4.ba.best.com>

We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day
rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
begins...

July 31, 1989: a day to remember.

John Howells
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.

[Willie]

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela

rec.music.beatles
September 1987
rec.music.dylan
July 31, 1989
https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html
"When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.
"There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.
"*rec*.music.beatles."
Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day
rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
begins...
July 31, 1989: a day to remember.
John Howells
http://www.punkhart.com
.

Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.

[K. Hematite]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela

rec.music.beatles
September 1987
rec.music.dylan
July 31, 1989
https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html
"When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.
"There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.
"*rec*.music.beatles."
Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day
rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
begins...
July 31, 1989: a day to remember.
John Howells
http://www.punkhart.com
.

Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.

The new Beatles' single "Free as a Bird" was released on Monday, November 20, 1995. It had been previewed on the Sunday night before, in an ABC documentary commemorating the 25th anniversary of the breakup of The Beatles.

``Free As a Bird″ was first broadcast Sunday night during ABC-TV’s airing of a documentary on the band, which split up in 1970. On the basis of overnight ratings, ABC estimated 47 million people watched the show. The Beatles’ first appearance on the ``Ed Sullivan Show″ in 1964 drew 73 million viewers."

https://apnews.com/article/b0f7e81fdca0660052143a9cbdf93984

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Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela

rec.music.beatles
September 1987
rec.music.dylan
July 31, 1989
https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html
"When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.
"There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.
"*rec*.music.beatles."
Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day
rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
begins...
July 31, 1989: a day to remember.
John Howells
http://www.punkhart.com
.

Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.

That's when "The Beatles Anthology" was released with its showing on ABC-TV. Two unfinished songs by John Lennon ("Free As A Bird" and "Real Love") were completed by McCartney, Harrison and Starr, and released. The anthology was the history of The Beatles as told by them.

"Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.

[Willie]

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On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5,

Post by Willie

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela

rec.music.beatles
September 1987
rec.music.dylan
July 31, 1989
https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html
"When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.
"There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.
"*rec*.music.beatles."
Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day
rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
begins...
July 31, 1989: a day to remember.
John Howells
http://www.punkhart.com
.

Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.

That's when "The Beatles Anthology" was released with its showing on ABC-TV. Two unfinished songs by John Lennon ("Free As A Bird" and "Real Love") were completed by McCartney, Harrison and Starr, and released. The anthology was the history of The Beatles as told by them.
"Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.
"Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.

That makes me reconsider her statement about the early days of RMB: "There were no women. It was all men...odd when you think that girls had made up the majority of Beatlemaniacs early on. Instead, here were a group of men combing through the recording relics of the Fabs...whom they didn't call the Fabs (because George Harrison hadn't quite invented the appellation yet)."

Speaking of the rec.music founders (or at least early sages), does anyone know what John Howells is up to? His Dylan site (http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/Home.html) seems to have been dormant since 2007, though punkhart.com does host his Quake Records (heavily Graham Parker promoting) and Tangible Press, which seem to be more current.

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"Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.

That makes me reconsider her statement about the early days of RMB: "There were no women. It was all men...odd when you think that girls had made up the majority of Beatlemaniacs early on. Instead, here were a group of men combing through the recording relics of the Fabs...whom they didn't call the Fabs (because George Harrison hadn't quite invented the appellation yet)."
Speaking of the rec.music founders (or at least early sages), does anyone know what John Howells is up to? His Dylan site (http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/Home.html) seems to have been dormant since 2007, though punkhart.com does host his Quake Records (heavily Graham Parker promoting) and Tangible Press, which seem to be more current.

Sexism and insulting raunchy language from trolls, as well as arguments and bickering, drove women away from RMB. By about the 2010-2012 time period there were very few women posters. When I first posted there around 1999-2000, there were a lot more women posters than ten years later, however there were always more men than women posters.

[Just Kidding]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

Post by Willie

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Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

[Willie]

Post by Just Kidding
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

Post by Willie

Post by Willie

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

[Pamela Brown]

Post by Willie

Post by Just Kidding
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

Post by Willie

Post by Willie

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

rmb Cavern Club setlist post link:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

[Willie]

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by Willie

Post by Just Kidding
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

Post by Willie

Post by Willie

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

[Willie]

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

Well, probably a different show, since I think that one is in 1962, while yours was Feb. '63.

[Pamela Brown]

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On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

Post by Willie

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Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

Well, probably a different show, since I think that one is in 1962, while yours was Feb. '63.

No setlist confirmations yet, but this is the show...
https://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/02/04/live-cavern-club-liverpool-277/

[Pamela Brown]

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On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist...
https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

[Pamela Brown]

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist...
https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

I would love to see the IMAX version of the Rooftop Concert, but alas...no IMAX theater near me.

Oh no...sorry to hear that...I managed to get one of the remaining seats at Rosedale, so it sold out quickly...

[Zod]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist...
https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

Be careful out there...

[Pamela Brown]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist...
https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

Be careful out there...

What should I beware of more -- the intense cold, the Dylinquents, or the Beatlemaniacs? :-)

[Pamela Brown]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

Imagined is live...
https://music.apple.com/us/album/1602127134

[Pamela Brown]

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Post by Willie

Post by Just Kidding
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie

Post by Willie

Post by Willie

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Willie

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

Imagined is live...
https://music.apple.com/us/album/1602127134

Release post...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

[General Zod]

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Post by roberta
Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

Post by Willie
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

"The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
as was 'Something'
I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
that with 'My Sweet Lord'?
The piccolo trumpet story was great"

Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.
I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.
One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.
I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.
My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

Imagined is live...
https://music.apple.com/us/album/1602127134

Release post...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Reading now, quite good....

[Pamela Brown]

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

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I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a

moderated version of the group.

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Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
recording techniques.

I just watched the trailer for this. It looks incredible. I may watch this before Get Back...

[Pamela Brown]

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

Post by Dylanstubs
I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...

I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...

I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.

The DVD of Get Back is coming out...I may wait for that...
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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.
Marc

Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the group.
Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)
I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...

I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.

The DVD of Get Back is coming out...I may wait for that...
https://brokenheartcasm.com/2702/?fbclid=IwAR0h9wt5Kc9NayWTQ9Br_vHe1kODO9uz0fpUMBMGKX_ua5lFOcxlQ6rUJuo

I'll second that.

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Phil Ochs as well....?

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/

But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...

From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://wordpress.com/post/theothermozart.wordpress.com/1641

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

Update...
https://wordpress.com/post/dylagence.wordpress.com/187

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

Update...
https://wordpress.com/post/dylagence.wordpress.com/187

Minnegeddon update:
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

Update...
https://wordpress.com/post/dylagence.wordpress.com/187

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

On the possibility of my having been poisoned as a child...update...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/on-the-possibility-of-my-having-been-poisoned-as-a-child/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

Update...
https://wordpress.com/post/dylagence.wordpress.com/187

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

On the possibility of my having been poisoned as a child...update...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/on-the-possibility-of-my-having-been-poisoned-as-a-child/

Update...Odd coincidences in MOVOY...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/03/12/a-possible-connection-in-the-vortex-odd-references-in-bob-dylans-my-own-version-of-you/

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Phil Ochs as well....?

Perhaps...it might also be applicable to my stepson Keven Dixon...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
But I think the underlying mystery of MMF that Bob wants to remain concealed (to the outsiders) may be about what really happened to John Lennon and why...

Interesting and good to see you, long time no see.....

I've been researching...will write soon...

Hi there....

Hi to you too...

Hope all is well....

You as well, Zod...
From the moment I recorded "Imagined", everything has been Zauber...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Thank you I will check this out....

More MMFs?
Possibly RFK and Marilyn Monroe...

Hi there...

The first MMF...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/11/20/mozart-took-to-his-bed-for-the-last-time/

Parsifal? not...updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/parsifal-possibly/

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Updated...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

Minnegeddon...updated...Bob Dylan mention
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

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https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

Tweaked...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/nearly-2800-days/

Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

Update...
https://wordpress.com/post/dylagence.wordpress.com/187

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

On the possibility of my having been poisoned as a child...update...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/on-the-possibility-of-my-having-been-poisoned-as-a-child/

Update...Odd coincidences in MOVOY...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/03/12/a-possible-connection-in-the-vortex-odd-references-in-bob-dylans-my-own-version-of-you/

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https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2023/11/26/it-all-comes-back-to-murder-most-foul/

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

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I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
Thanks for the link. This is an excellent article.
I am a member of rmb but haven't spent much time there. I think that will change.
I am gearing up to watch Get Back, because I am not a fan of Yoko...
I am currently enjoying listening to the remix cd's of Gimme Some Truth and Imagine. Lovely work by John. Great melodic line in Jealous Guy...

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Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
like a baby.
I'll never forget it.
r

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I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.
I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...
I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...
When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).
Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

Hi Willie,
Thanks for the link. This is an excellent article.
I am a member of rmb but haven't spent much time there. I think that will change.
I am gearing up to watch Get Back, because I am not a fan of Yoko...
I am currently enjoying listening to the remix cd's of Gimme Some Truth and Imagine. Lovely work by John. Great melodic line in Jealous Guy...

I know you haven't seen "Get Back" yet (I'm currently watching it for the second time through)but trying not to be a spoiler, I will tell you that re: Yoko, you will be surprised.

[rachel]

i remember being at habonim camp galil in penn., and it was the
conclusion of a scavenger hunt. this, the following, is my only memory
of the entire event.

another team was up, we were all sitting on the floor in this main
cabin, and the category was, "a beatle in a bag."

an older boy, holds up a plastic bag, with a cassette tape in it.

i didn't understand what it was about, what it meant.

and, as usual, i didn't ask.

i don't usually ask questions, except at pesach, or
perhaps...um...singing to myself as a child...SHUT UP! IT'S NONE OF
YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!

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another team was up, we were all sitting on the floor in this main
cabin, and the category was, "a beatle in a bag."

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oops. it just occured to me. i spelled that wrong.

i meant "beetle."

i hope that didn't ruin my story for anyone... bob...

i just can't be happy, bob, unless you love me true,
it's bad in here.
darkness everywhere
all i need is a miracle
(there are no miracles in the bible)
i'm not IN the bible!
i luv you, bob dylan. (but i'm just so depressed without you coming
back...)
it just hit me like two days ago, about your "eyes" being perfectly
round, and what that says about your state of mind/physical presence at
that moment.
i don't really understand, though.
(i'm not a psychiatrist - you know, to understand your "psychological
problems w/women" :-) )
anyway, i'm just a girl...
all i know is:
to be alone w/you
just you n' me -
underneath that tree...
there's just gonna be
you 'n me...
that was all
i could see
(pretty much the only words i could make out, that is)
and it's the only thing
in the world that should
and could be
for me.

all i need is a miracle...

Poor Little Chauffeur (or however you spell it)
but with a clean nose.
or
Jejune Juno
in denial
re: your trial
NOT GUILTY!
MY Bob Dylan!!
Leave 'im ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Leave 'im BE!!!
I want him to be free...
oh god, bob dylan, pretty please remember me.

ONE GODDAMN CUP OF TEA!!
Jesus Christ, is that too much to ask!????!

IS IT?!?
I don't *think* so!!!

[Zod]

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may his spirit live forever!

May he rest in peace...

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may his spirit live forever!

May he rest in peace...

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If the limo had pulled into the Dakota's private courtyard, he might have been safe that day...
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[Will Dockery]

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may his spirit live forever!

I watched some of the Get Back film this past week while house sitting in a place with Netflix etc cetera, and it revived in my memory why The Beatles circa 1968-70 were such a big deal for me back then.

Wonderfully restored footage.

[Pamela Brown]

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may his spirit live forever!

I watched some of the Get Back film this past week while house sitting in a place with Netflix etc cetera, and it revived in my memory why The Beatles circa 1968-70 were such a big deal for me back then.
Wonderfully restored footage.

They were...

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may his spirit live forever!

I watched some of the Get Back film this past week while house sitting in a place with Netflix etc cetera, and it revived in my memory why The Beatles circa 1968-70 were such a big deal for me back then.
Wonderfully restored footage.

They were...

I watched the original Let It Be movie in the theatrical release in 1970 multiple times, had my mother drop me off at the old Georgia Theater downtown (you may have caught a film or two there during your stay here) and I spent all day a couple of days in the balcony soaking in Abbey Road era lads.

I'm convinced that this and reading Edgar Allan Poe turned me into the poet I am today, for better or worse.

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[Pamela Brown]

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may his spirit live forever!

I watched some of the Get Back film this past week while house sitting in a place with Netflix etc cetera, and it revived in my memory why The Beatles circa 1968-70 were such a big deal for me back then.
Wonderfully restored footage.

They were...

I watched the original Let It Be movie in the theatrical release in 1970 multiple times, had my mother drop me off at the old Georgia Theater downtown (you may have caught a film or two there during your stay here) and I spent all day a couple of days in the balcony soaking in Abbey Road era lads.
I'm convinced that this and reading Edgar Allan Poe turned me into the poet I am today, for better or worse.
🙂

That's wonderful, to just soak it all in. I don't think I saw any movies when I was in Columbus...mostly local MONY gatherings...